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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 26, 2008 7:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jammed-Out Crypticals

It's a bit misleading for them to call the Other One "Cryptical" on HYH....but who needs consistency....basically Cryptical is the part that Jerry sings, and they did that only once in '72 (on 9/23) and even then it was only the intro.

I think early '69 is the prime period for long, jammed out Cryptical reprises. Late '68 was when it came into its own as a kind of epic rollercoaster-ride, quite often exploding and then dissolving into New Potato Caboose, which was quite the trip. Good examples are 12/7/68, the legendary 10/12/68, and the Two From The Vault show 8/24/68. (Actually that whole week of 8/21, 22, 23 & 24 is an awesome series of "primal Dead" shows.)

By '69 the Cryptical reprise generally ran for about ten minutes; I think the longest was 2/14/69 at 14 minutes. Pretty much every version from Feb/March '69 is great - even aside from the Fillmore West run, I might especially note 2/7, 2/15, 2/22, 3/28, 4/4, 4/6, 4/22 (and the other Boston Ark shows), and a fine 12-minute version from 6/5/69. (And, sadly, though they don't do the Cryptical reprise, 6/8/69 has the last New Potato!)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-01-24.sbd.kaplan.7922.sbeok.shnf (into New Potato)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-01-26.sbd.kaplan.2246.sbeok.shnf (into Clementine!)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-04-15.aud.miller.31435.sbeok.flacf (AUD, but great)

After that, the Cryptical reprise started shrinking, and they usually used it to segue into Cosmic Charlie or sometimes another tune - earlier it often went into Death Don't until that song was dropped. (On 10/31/69 it went into China Cat.) By late '69/early '70 the reprise had shriveled up until it was often only a minute or two long....(the Other One, though, was getting longer and more varied). So 1970 was a year of fantastic Other Ones but not too many great Cryptical reprises.
Sometimes they still stretched it out though, for instance on 3/1/70, the definitive 5/2/70, and the wonderful 6/7/70 (which goes into the Main Ten).
http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-04-15.sbd.kaplan.14354.sbeok.shnf (not for the Cryptical, but the unusual jam in the Other One)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-06-05.sbd.hanno.7589.sbefail.shnf (into Attics)

In '71 they changed their format, and the Other One generally went straight into Wharf Rat without stopping for a Cryptical reprise anymore. Another change in this year is that they'd frequently "pause" the Other One for a cowboy tune and then resume the jamming (I think the first time they tried that was in the great show 7/12/70). Occasionally they still did the reprise, but in very short versions, for instance in the 8/23/71 show that's the newest-released Road Trip, and the last Cryptical reprise of the '70s, 11/12/71.

In '72 they transformed and stretched out the Other One so much, it doesn't really resemble pre-Keith versions -- the HYH version may be the best of that period, but other fine examples from that tour are 4/11, 5/3, 5/7 (sadly pulled from the Archive), 5/10, 5/13 and 5/26. (A couple have been released, 3/28 on Dick's Pick 30 and 4/7 on Steppin' Out.)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-05-24.pye-jones.harper-sirmick.87027.flac16 (poor AUD)

That should give you a start.....

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Poster: Rings&Bells Date: Jul 27, 2008 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jammed-Out Crypticals

Thank you very much for the suggetsions! So far, I've only listened to the first couple but from what I can see, your selection is great. I have a lot of listening ahead of me.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 28, 2008 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jammed-Out Crypticals

" It's a bit misleading for them to call the Other One "Cryptical" on HYH....but who needs consistency"

Except for the fact that technically the song we know as the other one was in fact titled cryptical envelopment. The entire suite was called that's it for the other one. But it's one of those things that because everyone know it as we know it the band went along with it too.

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Jul 28, 2008 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jammed-Out Crypticals

From the Grateful Dead Lyric and Song Finder site: Confusion over the titles was sown when the first songbook "Grateful Dead Anthology" came out. The discography at the back gave writing credits as above (and for "New Potato Caboose", "Born Cross-Eyed", "Alligator" - Hunter and Petersen didn't get a mention on the original album). But the songbook got the titles muddled and published "The other day they waited ..." as "The Other One" and "Spanish lady come to me ..." as "Cryptical Envelopment." This was the wrong way round.

The songbook "Grateful Dead Anthology II" added another element. In the discograpy, it footnoted "The Faster We Go The Rounder We Get" with "Later known as 'The Other One.'" That is confirmed in the liner notes for "Dick's Picks 22", where the Cryptical>Other One>Cryptical suite lists the middle section as "The Faster We Go The Rounder We Get", with credits to Weir and Kreutzmann.

It seems therefore, that the original titles were arbitrary and bore only limited relation to individual songs. But the convention that has now emerged seems to be:

* "Cryptical Envelopment" is the Garcia song at the beginning of the suite
* "Quadlibet For Tender Feet" is the short jam between "Cryptical Envelopment" and "The Other One"
* "The Faster We Go The Rounder We Get" is the Bob Weir song now known as "The Other One"
* "We Leave The Castle" is the spacey jam at the end of "The Other One", with Tom Constanten's prepared piano.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 28, 2008 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jammed-Out Crypticals

Just to add on from the annotated site:

"That's It For The Other One"
Words and music by Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, and Bill Kreutzmann ("That's It For the Other One," composed and written by Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, and Bill Kreutzmann. Reproduced by arrangement with Ice Nine Publishing Company, Inc. (ASCAP))

["Cryptical Envelopment"]
The other day they waited, the sky was dark and faded,
Solemnly they stated, "He has to die, you know he has to die."
All the children learnin', from books that they were burnin',
Every leaf was turnin', to watch him die, you know he had to die.

The summer sun looked down on him,
His mother could but frown on him,
And all the other sound on him,
He had to die, you know he had to die.

["Quodlibet for tenderfeet": Instrumental]

["The Faster We Go The Rounder We Get: aka part 2]

Spanish lady come to me, she lays on me this rose.
It rainbow spirals round and round,
It trembles and explodes
It left a smoking crater of my mind,
I like to blow away.
But the heat came round and busted me
For smilin on a cloudy day


Comin', comin', comin' around, comin' around, comin' around in a circle
Comin', comin', comin' around, comin' around, in a circle,
Comin', comin', comin' around, comin' around, in a circle.

Escapin' through the lily fields
I came across an empty space
It trembled and exploded
Left a bus stop in its place
The bus came by and I got on
That's when it all began
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land


["We Leave the Castle"]
And when the day had ended, with rainbow colors blended,
Their minds remained unbended,
He had to die, oh, you know he had to die.


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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 28, 2008 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jammed-Out Crypticals

" All the children learnin', from books that they were burnin',"

One of my all time favorite Dead lyrics

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 28, 2008 5:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jammed-Out Crypticals

Not to put too fine a point on it, or lead to more confusion, but my take on it is from various sources I have read of late 67-68 in which CE as we know it was Jerry's song, and "the other one" was Bob's song...thus, the accepted song title approach was built on CE I and CE II being sammiched around Bob's song ("the other one").

They have been called various things, as the notes above testify, but I took their original discussion to be definitive.

But that is not to say it is "correct."

Hmmm--a little homework proves BD to be on the right track. Technically, for copyright purposes, it appears that the song was listed as That's it for the Other One with all the lyrics broken down as BD noted...thus, it was one big song, titled as stated, though again, I note, it started as two, one for Jerry and one for Bob...

This post was modified by William Tell on 2008-07-29 00:31:23

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 27, 2008 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jammed-Out Crypticals

Whoaaaa! Way to go Light! You get the Gold Star on this definitive summary.


April 69 shows are defn tasty for this and many of the standards, esp. MotMoon into DS. But, as for the reprise, Jerry often did some of his most frenetic work on this climax, and you have neatly arrayed them for one and all to sample.

Maybe a credenza is in order for you as well. As Prime Minister, I hereby decree you the first recipient of the soon to be famed "Order of the Credenza for Excellence in Song Review" (not to be confused with the order of the chifarobe for irritating pollsters).

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jul 27, 2008 10:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jammed-Out Crypticals

It would appear that Brother Tell has found another soulmate... Welcome to the Club LIA! Though it appears you've been there/here for awhile...


Edit; I will second that nomination on the grounds that i used to have some sort of BS rank and or title around here! Wish I could listen to the links, but my crappy (but free) wireless does not stream well...


This post was modified by cush212 on 2008-07-28 05:47:09